#AI fought the law, but who won? / ABC Far North

I’ve had lots of Future of conversations with the legal and allied industry, dating back to the 1990’s and have always been assured, by those in the know, that the legal industry is immune to change, safe and enshrined by 100’s of years of protocol and practice, enmeshed sacredly within the foundations and laws of our country.

The one thing I know for certain, is that the more certain an industry is that is immune to change, the surer I am that they will face a tsunami, when commercial reality finally hits them.

The legal industry, despite constant warnings from all, is now being forced to accept a radical shakeup, that is stripping them back to their core and forcing them to re think what practicing the law looks like, who does it and where and when it does.

In a world where Artificial Intelligence can effortlessly perform the work of a law clerk, researching, assembling and preparing briefs in the matter of minutes vs. a human who will take hours / days to complete the same task.

Where legal documents can more accurately be analysed by software than humans lawyers.

Where chat bots can get 100,000’s of purported offenders off parking fines.

Where judges now seek sentencing advice from their AI assistants, you know the Legal Industry has begun its journey down the rabbit hole.

In this weeks #FutureChat with ABC Far North’s Kier Shorey, and on the back of a keynote I’ll deliver today on the Brave New Legal Landscape, we chat about all things Future of Law and explore:

  • Online Lawyers / Legal Services
  • Chatbots Lawyers
  • Artificial Intelligence collates and writes legal briefs faster than humans
  • Physical Land Titles are gone
  • Smart Contracts – all seeing, all knowing technology
  • Impact of CCTV, dash cams, social media, proximity / location software and more on evidence
  • Can we / should we trust technology to deliberate, adjudicate and sentence / provide remedy?
  • What do human lawyers when technology does it all

An interesting insight into an age-old industry undergoing radical change and theirs and society’s response to it.

Have a listen now (10 minutes 56 seconds) and then share your foresight’s and thoughts…

Crystal ball time: iStart talks with a futurist / iStart

Blockchain this, AI that. Things are moving fast, so, in the interests of bringing you the news before it happens, we cornered Melbourne-based business futurist Morris Miselowski to find out what key technologies are going to change the business landscape, how best to prepare for the future shocks they’re bringing with them and what it all means for our day-to-day 20 years from now.

iStart: Hi Morris. Thanks for taking time to talk to us. From your perspective, what’s the technological lay of the land right now? How would you describe the zeitgeist in a technology sense?

Morris Miselowski: Right now I feel like we are really moving from what I think of as a Wizard of Oz, black and white type scenario into full technicolor. We’ve spent the last 30 years laying down the pipes and getting to terms with what this new digital space is, doing the ‘oohs’ and ‘ahhs’, but I don’t think we’ve used technology in a particularly purposefully way yet. It just hasn’t been very human-centric. So I think we’re on the cusp of something huge.

You’ve been in the prediction game for a while now. What’s changed?
‘Im seeing a very different landscape emerging for the first time in about 20 years, a landscape where technology is pushing back into the realm of the human-centric. It’s a fascinating conversation and one more people are willing to have. For the last 20 years all people wanted to talk about was the tech toys. Now the conversation is becoming about humanity and how humanity can use these tools more purposefully.

So this is part of a shift from a focus on tech to more of a focus on outcomes?
Yes. And in the next ten years we’re going to move forward 100 years in technology, but more extraordinarily, in the next 100 years we’re going to move forward a thousand years in terms of human evolution. This is going to be the biggest change we’ve ever seen.

How do you see that evolution playing out in industry?
So the nature of work is the big conversation of late. What’s changing is that we’re finally pushing past the industrial revolution, with the way we look at work is changing to a more human-centric view. There’s that word again.

A lot of the work we’ve done over the past 100 years has been repetitive, insular work; one task turned into a job for one person for life. Now we’re finding that we no longer need to look at things like that because we have technology that can recreate much of that human physical activity, picking up things, moving things, packing things. The big shift is now we’re finding ways of doing the heavy lifting of thinking.

And that brings up the spectre of displacement, right?
Well what have traditionally been called white collar jobs are now starting to disappear and many of the people that have those jobs have not foreseen this new horizon. So we’re now starting to see the work of accountants, bookkeepers and lawyers – all of those venerable jobs which have previously been considered as sacrosanct – being challenged by artificial intelligence.

But we’re also seeing the nature of work itself evolve to no longer requiring a person to be at a job at a particular time and place. Work can instead happen when and where appropriate. We’re moving to a ‘no collar’ situation, where the task dictates how and where it is done and technology is the backdrop that’s allowing that to happen.

Some things will always need the human touch though, right? People still hate chatbots, don’t they?
Many customers do report a dislike or a fear of chatbots, but many of them will have actually used a chatbot recently without even having known it. That fear is similar to how many people felt 15 years ago when we started to talking about online banking: ‘Oh, it will never happen; not in my lifetime; I’m not doing it’. Now close to 90 percent of all retail transactions in Australia and New Zealand are done online and we don’t give two thoughts to it. And the thought of standing in a queue in physical bank makes our stomach turn.

At the moment chatbot technology may be a little immature, a little cumbersome, but they are also the next step in our evolution in this space. We’ve had keyboards, we’ve had the mouse, but where are the other great interaction tools?

What we’re moving to now is more a human interface, that speaks and understands in a way close to our natural language. It guesses, hypotheses, figures out what we want or the meaning behind a question and gives us that answer. We, as humans, want that. We like it when things do things for us.

And we’ve got to touch on Blockchain.
Blockchain is another one of those things that has a bit of a scare factor, with most people not really aware of what it does. They think of it as cryptocurrency, or a new form of the New Zealand or Australian dollar, but it’s so much more than that – it’s the new digital backdrop of business. It will ensure things – money transfers, titles, things of value – are done with more honesty and transparency and truth.

It’s a brand new space that doesn’t have many rules or regulations at this stage and doesn’t have a clear player, so it opens up a horizon of huge possibilities. It’s going to change the face of so many industries.

I’m detecting an ever so slight hint of optimism in the way you think about these things…
I am an optimist about the future, but it’s not Pollyanna stuff. My mindset is this: technology is always benign, it has an off switch and where it doesn’t, get a brick and smash it.

And I don’t think technology is, on its own, the answer. What scares me is humanity’s use of technology. What we’re doing, as we always have, is evolving technologies that can be used for good or evil. AI is a great example of that. It really has that possibility of being used in all sorts of spaces where we would not, as humans, wish it to be, but, on the other hand, it has so many possibilities that I think we need to get welcome it.

So how does industry actually prepare for the challenges we face? Is there a roadmap?
The landscape is changing. Notions around work are changing, what it means to be a human, how we live together as families, all of these things are changing irrevocably, and we are not really ready for that.

So it has to come back to leadership, and here I’m talking to CEOs, CIOs, anyone from the C-suite. Leadership is of vital importance. We need to redefine what leadership is, because the workforce of tomorrow, and what that might look like, is a huge question.

What’s important in this space is to get to the core of who we are as a business and many businesses are not really able to define that. It’s not something you can answer with a product or a service or a mission statement.

But once you do have an idea, you can begin to evolve, and you can start looking for the technologies ahead that are going to be important to you.

Published on the 17/08/2017 | Written by Jonathan Cotton

Are you mad talking to a chatbot / ABC WA Drive

Last week the tech world went berserk when it was believed that Facebook chatbots (a computer program designed to simulate conversation with human users) appeared to make up their own language and start plotting to take over the world – as usual the hype was great, the truth far less interesting, the bots were actually never programmed to speak or converse in any particular language so they were just sending random message to each other, but it was enough to get ABC Perth’s Barry Nichols to want to chat about all things Bot in our weekly catch up.

We began by exploring what a Bot is and our most common ones at this stage are still the hotel or airline web page that pops up with a box at the bottom so you can talk to an agent (who often is not human). We looked at some really interesting uses of Bots in mental health, a story of a programmer who upon learning of his fathers imminent death set about building a Dad Bot containing his fathers conversations (recorded) and words of wisdom that he now regularly talks to.

For me it’s not so much about what a Bot is today, but rather that it points to a near world in which we use natural language and gestures to engage with technology and where it not only listens to our express wishes but also tries to determine our implied wishes communicating both back to us using a human persona.

So for all things bot, have a listen now to two humans having a chat about what might be chatting to us in the near future



A robot to challenge your parking tickets / ABC Far North, Austereo

donotpay-frontGot a parking ticket that you want to fight, but not sure how and on what grounds? Got a legal problem and not sure who to turn to? No problem leave it to DoNotPay an automated online chatbot developed by a UK 19-year-old that has already successfully appealed 250,000 parking tickets in London and New York (not yet available in Australia).

How about using facial technology to check on the health and well-being of the Great Barrier Reef? No problem, already done. Scientists are using this tech to check and compare coral on the reef at 900x the speed of any previous tech and putting together a near real-time picture of the reef’s health and well-being.

Forgotten what you were thinking? No problem, scientists believe they are on the road to being able to read your mind, with early tests undertaken by Neuroscientist Bruce Kuhl of Oregon University. He uses MRI to measure blood flow in the brain, charting neurological activity. Really interesting early days tech, using Artificial Intelligence, MRI’s and science fiction to pioneer a new frontier that will most likely take us a few decades to even begin to make sense and purpose out of.

And the last story in this week’s round of radio segments, we look at Google’s My Activity the portal that lets you see everything you’ve ever done on a Google related website and all of its subsidiaries. It’s a must try, if for no other reason than to see what kind of digital footprint you’re leaving behind.

Listen now:

Kier Shorey, ABC Far North (10 minutes 27 seconds)

Anthony Tilli, Austereo (5 minutes 54 seconds)